AUTHOR’S UPDATE: Please note that the following article was written prior to the actual GOP primaries because I was concerned about people supporting Donald Trump as the Republican candidate. Since then the definition of “Trump Supporter” has obviously expanded to include a larger segment of the population, including people who readily agreed with my article. Thus my assumptions obviously do not apply to all “Trump Supporters.”
For my most recent thoughts on the election and support for President Trump, please see my latest article: A Trump Protester’s Insider Look Within the Evangelical Trump Supporting World.
Dear Trump Supporter,
Let me start by saying that I get it. I get the frustration.
I, too, am tired of all the PC language that has dominated our culture. I’m tired of having to be careful about everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) I say for fear of accidentally offending someone and dealing with hyped up repercussions.
I, too, am sickened with politics as usual – with a stagnant, do-nothing government. I’m tired of unmet promises and of wimpy politicians who won’t stand up for what is right and what needs to be done.
I, too, am concerned about our nation’s security, knowing there are people out there who absolutely hate us and will stop at nothing to destroy us – even to the point of trying to disguise themselves amongst us if they can.
I, too, worry about our world’s economy, with other countries engaging in unfair trade practices. I’m worried about our own nation’s economy, and I’m worried about my next paycheck.
I, too, am frustrated by an ever expanding federal government, continually imposing its rules upon us, forcing us to buy a product we may not want, and telling us what we are allowed to believe…or else.
I, too, am concerned about where our country is headed. I want to see our nation great again.
So I get it.
I get the allure of a charismatic person who speaks his mind, who appears above the fray, and seems to epitomize success.
Why wouldn’t we want an accomplished businessman to run the “business” of the states? Why wouldn’t we want a person who could not care less what people think to break through the barriers of our hypersensitive speech. Why wouldn’t we root for someone radically different than what we’ve seen before in Washington, who promises to get stuff done, while at the same time makes us laugh?
But this is not about Donald Trump. No, this is about you.
For the Donald has said and done a number of things that many analysts have stated should have knocked him out of the race. But rather than causing him to lose ground with you, you have stood faithful. In fact, with each successive event, you not only did not let it bother you, you applauded him all the more.
Therefore, I can assume that the things he has said and done are not only acceptable to you, but are the kinds of things you think will make America great.
So while I get the frustration, I just want you to be aware – if you are a Trump supporter, these are the things I assume about you:
1) You think a great America consists of disrespecting our nation’s veterans, particularly our POW’s.
On July 18, 2015, Trump said of former Navy pilot and POW John McCain, ““He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” McCain had spent 5 ½ years as a prisoner at the famous Hanoi Hilton in North Vietnam, where he was regularly tortured.
Trump later denied saying McCain wasn’t a war hero. He went on to claim that he was a better leader on veterans’ issues than McCain, stating that he had put on benefits for foundations like Wounded Warriors. In a recent analysis, Forbes magazine reported:
The Donald J. Trump Foundation has donated $5.5 million to 298 charities between 2009 and 2013 (the most recent year available), according to the non-profit’s 990 tax forms from those years. Of that, only $57,000 has been donated to seven organizations that directly benefit military veterans or their families.
In other words, “leading” on veterans’ issues means dedicating just a little over 1%. Forbes went on to state:
Wounded Warriors was not among the organizations Trump’s foundation gave to in that time period. Forbes also found that Trump, who we estimate is worth $4.5 billion, has not made personal contributions to his foundation during the same time period.
(UPDATE: After this article was posted Trump sponsored an event that raised $6 million for Wounded Warriors. The timing is interesting to me that just shortly before the primaries he decided to increase his giving suddenly from $57,000 to $6,057,000 and for Wounded Warriors which he previously claimed to have given to but as per above he had not – see point #5 below)
Also worth noting, around the time McCain was being held prisoner after voluntarily enlisting as a Navy pilot, Trump had received four student deferments from the draft and a medical deferment after school, though he’d been active in sports.
So I can only assume since, after all this, you are still very excited to place Trump as the leader of our nation’s military, that respect and support for our military personnel and veterans is not that important to you.
2) You believe that in a great America it’s okay to mock people with physical disabilities.
At a rally in South Carolina last year, Trump mocked Serge Kovaleski, a reporter known to have a condition called arthrogryposis which affects joint movements. Because Kovaleski denied that a 2001 article he’d written supported one of Trump’s claims, Trump publicly “imitated” Kovaleski, jerking his arms about in a manner reminiscent of the disability’s symptoms. Though Kovaleski had covered Trump extensively during the 80’s and early 90’s, meeting with him repeatedly and knowing each other on a first name basis, Trump denied he was mocking Kovaleski’s appearance, claiming that he didn’t even know him.
Not convinced? You decide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biopyTgPDpc
In other instances, Trump has been accused of mocking Charles Krauthammer, who is paralyzed from the waist down, and of making fun of a protestor for being overweight.
For any other public figure making such disparaging remarks it could be almost career ending. But since you not only seem to have given him a pass but applauded him along the way, perhaps it even says something about you. Could it be that you thought his mockery was quite funny, too?
3) You think a great America is where a woman’s purpose is to be a beautiful piece of a**.
Trump famously said in an interview with Esquire in 1991, “”You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of a**.” Granted, that was in 1991, but while his views of many different things have frequently changed throughout the years, there’s no evidence that his views on women have.
And while he doesn’t hesitate to compliment the physical appearance of women, he also just as easily degrades them as well: insulting the face of Carly Fiorina, saying a female columnist had “the Face of a Dog,” calling a lawyer “disgusting” for needing a break to pump breast milk, and implying debate moderator Megyn Kelly was asking tough questions because of menstruation.
This is not to mention disrespecting his own first wife Ivana by having an affair and marrying his mistress who was 17 years his junior. Ironically, Trump tweeted in April of last year, “If Hillary can’t satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?” So if it’s Hillary Clinton’s fault that her husband had an affair, was it Ivana’s fault Trump had his? Should we assume that his 2nd marriage didn’t last because she didn’t satisfy him either? To his “credit” he seems satisfied for now with his 3rd wife whom he married when he was 58 and she was 34.
Any self-respecting man would not stand for allowing another man to say to his spouse or girlfriend some of the things Trump has said to other women. So why do we allow Trump to get away with what he says without recourse?
It is also difficult for me to understand why so many women support what he says. Could it be if you are female and support him you simply think less of yourself, and could it be if you’re male and support him you’re just less of a man?
4) You hope for a great America that strongly dislikes or refuses to accept entire people groups (and there’s a word for that).
Last year Trump made controversial comments that Mexico was sending us drug dealers and rapists as an argument for why we should round up and deport millions of illegals and build a wall. He also proposed that we put a ban on all Muslim immigrants.
Many, as a result, have accused him of being a “racist.” That’s a tough label to stick on those statements alone, however, because officially he is arguing for the segregation of illegal activities and ideologies rather than any specific race – though, it’s hard to deny that his proposals would end up affecting large groups of certain races or ethnicities.
But it’s the continued pattern of activities and statements over a period of time that has many designating the label. Perhaps it was because he tweeted out a graphic falsely claiming that the majority of white murders are perpetrated by blacks. Perhaps it was because he was his complicit in the beating of a “Black Lives Matter” protester at one of his rallies. Perhaps it’s not just his own actions but the fact that his own father was involved in a segregation scandal through his real estate business.
Yes, in our PC world sometime we get a little hypersensitive, but when the verbiage and actions of an individual keep adding up, there’s a point in which you simply have to call it what it is.
But if that label of “racism” won’t stick, there’s another word that should. Its definition is:
a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc.: a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, that word is “bigot.”
Dictionary.com has the broader definition of “a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.” With his aggressive attack style, it’s hard to imagine a person more intolerant of other’s beliefs or opinions than Trump.
As Dana Milbank states in his Washington Post article, “It might be possible to explain away any one of Trump’s outrages as a mistake or a misunderstanding. But at some point you’re not merely saying things that could be construed as bigoted: You are a bigot.
As a Trump supporter you have not only failed to hold him accountable for any such statements or actions, you have often openly cheered him. Is it possible that one of these definitions also fits you?
5) You look forward to a great America that is politics as usual.
In the last two decades Trump has gone from being a Republican to an independent to a Democrat and back to Republican.
He previously supported universal healthcare but now opposes it. He once proposed a tax increase on the rich but now stands against it. In 2010 he praised President Obama as having done a good job but now describes him as “incompetent.” In 2008 he supported Hillary Clinton’s campaign and In 2012 he said she was a terrific woman; but now he states that she is “the worst Secretary of State in the history of our nation.”
He once said he was “very pro-choice” and now he says he is “very pro-life.” In 2000 he supported longer waiting periods on gun purchases and a ban on assault weapons but now is against those.
Up until 2011 he had made more financial contributions to Democrats than to Republicans.
Just on the recent campaign trail itself he has flip-flopped on issues such as ISIS, Syria, Afghanistan, Planned Parenthood, military spending and the flat tax.
Despite the overall impression he has of being a straight-talker there is no way anyone can know where he truly stands on any issue. Instead of being the outsider, he ultimately ends up saying what people want to hear rather than standing firm on anything.
Many Trump supporters will defend that politicians change their positions all the time. I rest my case.
Trump is politics as usual and you support it.
6) You fight for a great America where the ends justify the means and things like faith and character do not matter.
In your frustration and desperation for change you have compromised some of the very things that were once important to you.
There was a time where the particular faith of the President was of extreme importance to you. Right or wrong, many of you even questioned in the last campaign whether we could trust a Mormon president. You questioned the legitimacy of President Obama’s faith, arguing that he is really a Muslim. But now you strongly endorse a candidate who is clearly not Christian.
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Yes, I said it. I am almost always one who declares you cannot judge another person’s heart – that we will be surprised in the end who will actually make it to heaven. But in this case, aside from his recent misstatement of “Two Corinthians” instead of “Second Corinthians;” aside from the truth that in spite of his claim that the Bible is his favorite book, he can’t name a single favorite verse; aside from the fact that the church he claims to attend has said he is not an “active member” (not one of these alone would necessarily disqualify a person from being a “Christian”) he also has admitted that he never asks God for forgiveness – a central tenet to the Christian faith. Add in his questionable moral behaviors, his “love of money,” his ultimate lack of humility, and his complete disrespect for others (all indicators that he does not follow Christ nor represent his character) and I’ll say it again: Trump is not a Christian.
For many of you that has never been an important qualifier and at least you are being consistent (though I think it should still give pause to the fact he is trying to pass himself off as something he is not). But for others, it has always been important. Why is it not now?
Aside from this, there are other qualities you have also compromised on.
Many of you were the first to question President Clinton’s legitimacy to the office because of his extra-marital affairs and yet you still “stand by your man” when it comes to questions about Trump’s past love life.
You stand by him when he questions whether an American citizen born in Canada, the son of a grassroots activist for Reagan, can be president and yet you have zero reservations about that fact that Trump’s former Soviet Union born wife, the daughter of a card-carrying communist, would be joining him in the White House (For the record, I am not questioning the patriotism of Melania Trump. I have met several former Soviet born individuals who have a great passion for America. I am only pointing out the hypocrisy here).
In addition, 22 writers for National Review, considered the bastion of conservative thought, just came out to declare that Trump is not a true conservative and, in fact, is a “huckster” and a “menace to American conservatism.”
And as much opposition Trump has expressed toward so many leaders at home and abroad, the one person he has expressed admiration for is Russian president (some would say dictator) and communist Vladimir Putin.
In short, in your effort to try to make America great, you have compromised on all that you once believed…or maybe you never really did.
7) You believe in a great America in which the best way to win is to bully (and maybe you’re a bully, too).
We promote anti-bullying campaigns in our nation’s schools and put out statistic showing its links to teen suicide. Yet many of you are making a hero out of one of America’s most well-known bullies.
It’s no secret that when challenged, Trump’s modus operandi is to attack a person’s character rather than substantively address the issue. No one who has questioned him is free from his degrading wrath.
HIs decision to publically give out Lindsey Graham’s cell phone number and social media bashing brings to mind the maturity and scheming of a teenage Mean Girl who belittles everyone around her. Only this Mean Girl you want to make into the school Principal.
As writer Olivia Nuzzi puts it:
Bullying, according to the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, “involves repeated exposure of one person to physical and/or relational aggression where the victim is hurt with teasing, name calling, mockery, threats, harassment, taunting, social exclusion or rumors”—or, to put it more concisely, the entire Trump doctrine.
Many mental health professionals have come out to say that Trump meets the classic symptoms of a Narcissist. They opened up about this out of great concern for what a Trump presidency could mean, in spite of a professional rule (as stated in this article) that you are not normally supposed to publicly comment on the mental state of an individual without directly examining them.
As clinical psychologist Ben Michaelis says in the article, “To degrade people is really part of a cluster-B personality disorder [which Narcissism is part of]: it’s antisocial and shows a lack of remorse for other people. The way to make it O.K. to attack someone verbally, psychologically, or physically is to lower them. That’s what he’s doing.”
Narcissists also have a tendency to be dishonest. Licensed clinical social worker Wendy Terrie Behary, states, “Narcissists are not necessarily liars, but they are notoriously uncomfortable with the truth.”
Michaelis adds, “He’s applying for the greatest job in the land, the greatest task of which is to serve, but there’s nothing about the man that is service-oriented. He’s only serving himself.”
So why support a narcissist and a bully? Is it, again, because the ends justify the means and you’re happy for him to do the dirty work? Or is it, like in all the movies, bullies have their sidekicks? If you’re a supporter, are you a bully, too?
Of course, bullying works, as long as the bully’s on your side. And as shown by his record of flip flopping and dishonesty, there’s no guarantee which side he’ll be. One day this bully might end up in the highest authoritative office in the land. A lot of what he says may be funny now, but if you ever disagree with him, some day he might be bullying you.
8) You dream of a great America with a strong central government that monitors and controls civil liberties such as freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press (and possibly even the right to bear arms).
Trump has already hinted he would use Executive Orders to the same degree President Obama did, for which Obama “led the way.”
He has also said that we should place surveillance on certain houses of worship and has been open to the idea of keeping a database on people in the U.S. who practice a particular faith. For many of you this idea of the Federal government monitoring and tracking these individuals and places doesn’t bother you because he was referring to Muslims and Muslims right now scare you.
But what happens when an extremist who claims your faith does something terrible and the Federal government decides it’s time to start monitoring you?
And in terms of speech, Trump has already demonstrated he’ll use whatever means necessary (giving out a person’s cell phone #, having protesters thrown out, verbally assaulting and social media bullying, and even boycotting debates) in order to silence his opponents.
Furthermore, there was his questionable statement about closing down the internet:
“We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way… Somebody will say, ‘Oh, freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people.”
In regards to the press, Trump has threatened to sue the Washington Post for reporting on one of his bankruptcies. His own lawyer once warned a newspaper that if they reported about rape allegations against Trump, he was going to mess up the reporters’ life. He stated, “Tread very f—ing lightly, because what I’m going to do to you is going to be f—ing disgusting.”
Now if he’s currently willing to use whatever weapons he has available to him to try to quell any opposing views or press reports, what happens when he has the chief lawyer of the land (the Attorney General), Homeland Security, the FBI, the Bureau of Land Management, the IRS, the ATF, and other Federal offices at his disposal to continue to do the same?
In terms of gun control, many fear that President Obama’s gun control measures are a secret conspiratorial means via which the government will eventually collect all guns and take over dictatorial powers of the states. However, when you think about it, it’s not a President who makes enemies of all the gun-owning individuals that has a chance of taking dictatorial control. It’s going to be the one who has pretended all along to be your friend (the one who continually changes positions, even on issues like this, in order to say what people want to hear) who ultimately will have you duped.
Recently, Trump claimed he was so much loved, he could stand in the middle of a street and shoot someone and not lose any votes.
First, does he think families of shooting victims really find that funny?
Second, why is he even thinking about shooting anybody?
Third, what does that mean he is saying about you? Does he really think you’re that blind of a follower that you just wouldn’t care?
Fourth, what are the implications for putting a bully, so sure of himself he feels he has zero accountability, in charge of the highest office in the land?
Will he then feel he is able to order the shooting or removal of anyone he wants and never lose your unwavering support?
Trump’s rise in power has been very unpredictable. I honestly did not feel he would get this far; so it is hard for me to predict the final outcome of this year’s primaries and election. That said, if you are a Trump supporter I also assume of you one of the following two possibilities:
9a) You think a great America is one that looks like Hillary Clinton.
Early on, many speculated that Clinton hoped for Trump to be the GOP candidate because he is the one she could most easily defeat. Some conspiratorialists have even speculated that Trump is a Clinton “plant” designed to wreak havoc in the GOP.
Trump has indeed deeply divided the Republican party with many conservatives coming strongly against him. He has also alienated a large portion of the Hispanic vote. And neither he (nor any GOP candidate) ever really had the African American vote; but because of his bigotry and racism he’s quickly losing many of the white voters who care about them.
As to myself, many would describe me as an Evangelical Conservative (though that label is a lot wider than people think and it would be hard to nail me down on every issue). And while I feel that neither party has done a good job of representing my views, since 1986 I have always ended up siding with the Republican candidate. Though I have often been unsatisfied with the eventual Republican nominee, I ultimately each time ended up voting for that person (as a lesser of two evils choice) because they more closely represented my concerns.
If the eventual nominees, however, end up being Clinton and Trump, I will not in good conscience be able to vote for either one. The choices to me would be either a slow death (Clinton, by continuing in some of the same policies of her predecessors that are hurting this country) or potential disaster (Trump, because of the reasons outlined above). My vote, therefore, in good conscience would have to go to an independent or a write-in…and there are many just like me. Translation: the eventual winner would be Clinton; so I assume Trump supporters are comfortable with that.
Or…
9b) You think a great America is one that looks like Donald Trump.
Trump has promised to “make America great again,” invoking the idea of making it great like the past. Most discerning people now recognizes that there are things in our past that were good, such as things your “momma” or “daddy” taught you about honesty, hard work and respect, and there were things in our past that were bad, such as bigotry, misogyny, and abuse of power.
So far Trump’s demonstration of “great” seems to be a return to our past in what was bad, while ignoring the things that were good.
Many conservatives themselves, including “Tea Party” leaders, have said that Trump is actually dangerous for America.
And yet, you as a Trump supporter, so far have ignored this, along with all the other warning flags.
It’s like watching a girl in a bad relationship – the kind where the physical abuse actually starts once he puts on the marriage ring. She ignores everyone’s advisement that he is bad for her, even though all the warning signs (the verbal assaults, the dishonesty, the manipulation) were already there to see.
Remember, the Donald is playing “nice” right now in order to get elected. There’s no telling what he’ll do once he has the ring.
In 1 Samuel 8 (that’s pronounced “first Samuel eight”), the prophet Samuel warned the people of Israel that their demand for a king would result in the king’s abuse of power, but the people would not listen.
While he may not claim to be a prophet, Libertarian author David Boaz heeds a similar warning now for us when he wrote for the National Review:
Not since George Wallace has there been a presidential candidate who made racial and religious scapegoating so central to his campaign. Trump launched his campaign talking about Mexican rapists and has gone on to rant about mass deportation, bans on Muslim immigration, shutting down mosques, and building a wall around America. America is an exceptional nation in large part because we’ve aspired to rise above such prejudices and guarantee life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to everyone. Equally troubling is his idea of the presidency—his promise that he’s the guy, the man on a white horse, who can ride into Washington, fire the stupid people, hire the best people, and fix everything. He doesn’t talk about policy or working with Congress. He’s effectively vowing to be an American Mussolini, concentrating power in the Trump White House and governing by fiat. It’s a vision to make the last 16 years of executive abuse of power seem modest.
But it’s not so much Trump I am concerned about as the people. Are we really now the kind of people who want such a king? Does this person really represent our values? Does he really represent you?
Now if you are a Trump supporter, perhaps I’ve made some wrong assumptions. Perhaps you are a very kind and loving individual who has always honored our nation’s military and would never degrade a single person. Perhaps you love people from all walks of life and you get along well with even those you disagree. Perhaps you live to serve others rather than pushing to get your own way.
But when you idly sit by as he says the things he says and his berating of people’s lives causes you to raise your hands in further praise I just have to be honest about the assumptions I make of you.
And if I’m wrong, prove me so. Stand up to him now and then…hold him accountable. Tell him you think he has the skills that it takes and he can still make America great, but if he devalues another soul you won’t put up with it.
But if not then, well, I’ve already listed it.
The question to ask is: are the things I’ve listed what makes America great? If not, when is it great?
America is great when after some kind of trial people from all walks of life come together in prayer and support.
America is great when we see someone in need and groups band together to try and meet it.
America is great when a person in a uniform is eating out and someone pays their tab, thanking them for their service.
America is great when a person in a wheelchair needs to get through a door and a stranger rushes up to hold it open.
America is great when two individuals can disagree but can still have a friendly one on one discussion.
In some sense, America is already great as long as we make a habit and continue to do the things we get right.
But in this day and age when there are still things we get wrong, are you sure the answer is to introduce more vitriol and hate? Is that what will make America more great?
If Trump were to get the nomination and then go on to win the presidential election, that means one thing: that Trump (through his actions and his words) represents what the majority of Americans have become and want more of. That means Trump is America and America is Trump.
If that is the case, then America not only will not be great…I’m not even sure America is or will be even any good.
So the question is…America, are you great or are you Trump?
I guess we’ll start to get a picture soon, beginning Feb 1 (pronounced “first).
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Thank you, Steve Baldwin, for so succinctly summing up what is “out of sync” with what Donald Trump says and does and what his supporters seem to hear him say and see him do. Your courageous posting of replies to your blog, even disagreeable ones, and your courteous responses emphasize the discrepancies.
If he were elected, would he then think that he had the right to run the United States of America as he runs his businesses? Would our country become one of his businesses? And I wonder about his foreign policy, too. Would he insult and mock the leaders of other countries, the way he insults and mocks American citizens?
We voters need to consider very carefully whom we elect to be our next President, or we could find ourselves going from the frying pan into the fire!
Thanks for reading and for your encouragement, Julia.
Many points in your article could also be directed at Obama. To me, there isn’t much difference between the two. Didn’t vote for Obama, won’t vote for Trump. People need to wake up from the celebrity hype and not waste their vote again!
Why are you validating anti-PC opinions (as if PC actually dominated anything but professional correspondence — have you turned on the TV lately?) and then supporting all of the values that PC is supposed to uphold (such as respect for women and minorities as human beings)?
Hi James, I strongly encourage you to read my post “The Political Correctness of being Politically Incorrect.” I address that very subject.
The funny thing is that after you say you’re sick of PC, you go on to do a “I’m so sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings” rant — unless that was supposed to be sarcasm. If not, you do, at heart, seem to understand that words do matter. A true “anti-PCer” would be like Trump and say “Aw, too bad, buttercup. Get with the program.” Unless, of course, someone is being “mean” to a Republican — that, as you seem to have found out with your apology, is unforgivable.
Thanks for reading. There is a difference between outside control and self-control. Outside control (PC) is an attempt to control through outside force or intimidation, and in the process eliminates the free expression of ideas. Self-control seeks the expression of free ideas, but recognizes that words do still matter and that there are people on the other end of those words.
Unfortunately much of anti-PC talk (as exemplified by President Trump) has forgotten the value of self-control and, in an ironic twist of events, has sought to shut down anything that even has a hint of sounding PC (even if merely a call for self-control) through intimidation.
In another ironic twist of events, many protesting our current president or his supporters also seem to have forgotten the value of self-control as well.
I don’t necessarily support Trump. I’m just fearful that none of the other conservative candidates can save our country. If we go socialististic, it’s over. I just think he comes across with a strong enough persona to take on the progressives.
Shirley —
Thanks for responding. In my opinion fear of socialism is like fear of ghosts or leprechauns. What most people associate with that words in their minds is the pre-Cold War Soviet Union, which doesn’t exist today and could never exist in that form in the US.
Right now, the big lie in public discourse is this:
Capitalism: corporations turn my tax money into personal profits for owners, who then hide their profits in overseas accounts so they don’t have to pay back into the system that made them rich. Capitalism is good and godly.
Socialism: I actually get real benefits from my tax money. Socialism is bad and atheist and god-hating.
The fact is, most of us — in the middle class — are paying a ton of money for a minimum level of service because every single public system we’re dealing with (almost) is geared to maximize profit. I would pay maybe 1/4 of what I’m paying now under Sanders’s system and get more and better health care because health insurance company profits would be removed from the equation. Those thousands of dollars a year I would save in health insurance could go back into the economy in the form of spending.
I ran the numbers, and right now, this very minute, the federal government is spending enough on education per year to pay for everyone in college to go with 100% of their tuition paid for by federal tax money (if everyone went to community college their first two years and in-state public colleges their second).
So you’re already paying for it. The question is, why aren’t you getting it? Student loans equal massive profits for banks with no guaranteed loss, as the fed. covers them. That’s even better for banks than home loans, which could leave the bank with an empty, unsellable home if the owners default.
So you’re being ripped off in the name of fear of socialism.
Christians have lived and thrived under every economic and political system imaginable: monarchies, empires, socialisms, communisms, capitalisms, democracies, feudal systems, etc. Christianity is not aligned with capitalism inherently, and Christ certainly is not. It was the merchants of the earth who were mourning the whore of Babylon in Revelation.
Hey. I just read your post. My question to you is about how well social medicine works. I have friends in England and Canada and both say the same…that they wait a long time to be able to see a doctor and they have really high taxes which supposedly pay for their medical visits. Neither of them think much of their system. I think the basic tenets of socialism are great, but in real life it never works out like that. If we could guarantee that our leaders would be honest and just, it might be a good option. But we already know that most of our current regime is in politics as a career, not as serving the people. So, giving our leaders more involvement in our personal lives by turning over more control to them would be a mistake I think. I believe every one should able to reach for the stars if he desires, and not be limited by an over-zealous government who imposes more and more regulations which stifle small business. I’m an entrepreneur and it’s grown harder and harder to survive in business under our current regime. Neither Bernie nor Hillary will repeal any of the actions our CIC has put in place, so I feel like it will be more of the same, at best… Maybe worse if either is elected.
The long lines, etc., wouldn’t be a factor here, because we already have private doctors all across the country in very large numbers. Sanders’s plan isn’t about putting all doctors on the government payroll, but about reforming how we pay for our medical care so that we’re actually paying for medical care and not for HUGE insurance company profit margins.
So you don’t want to picture everyone having to use something like the local health clinic to get medical care. That’s not what anyone is proposing.
The fact is, right now, I pay about $400/mo. for family health insurance BEFORE I pay my $3500 annual deductible. Under Sanders’s plan — and I’ve run the numbers — I would pay $99.00 a month. My employer would also pay significantly less toward my health insurance.
Go check out the plan, look at your premiums and deductibles, and ask yourself what plan works better for you.
With everyone saving that much money, that’s a lot more money in everyone’s pockets, more spending, and more economic growth.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/
Yes you make a great point but it’s based on what sanders has said. I would remind you that our current president, also a democrat, said that Obamacare would be cost effective for all Americans and in actuality, it’s been anything but cost effective. Are more folks covered? Yes, but only because they threatened with a fine if they don’t subscribe. Our premiums keep going up, deductibles are higher and I’m fortunate right now not to even meet the deductible each year because I’m rarely sick. But we pay those high premiums anyway. Trust me. things will only be compounded if either Hillary or Bernie win. Either of them will only add to what Obama has already done, not fix the problem. And that’s just about healthcare. Our national debt is out of control but instead of cutting frivolous spending, they just put more and more burden on us, the middle class. I think some outsider should audit the books and then maybe we could make a start to get out of debt. Even when they’ve raised taxes, instead of applying it to the national debt, they’ve spent it on new programs and have given it away in support of other countries, even hostile ones. And if anyone questions it, he or she is called racist, or a bigot or narcissistic.
Back to healthcare, both sanders and Hillary want a single payer system….more or less welfare for all… Dependence on the govt for our needs. That’s good when it starts but very bad later.
And their greed never ends. Part of Obamacare says that people’s IRAs may be seized if necessary. What are people supposed to live on? And the price of Medicare is increasing quite a bit, while social security benefits are being cut… That is, while ss lasts. There are no guarantees that the govt has to pay social security benefits at all. That just came out in the news recently. Hillary or Bernie? No thanks.
Ha… I’m sorry, but your imagination isn’t quite equal in validity to the real numbers.
I was opposed to the Affordable Care Act when it was being proposed because it was a deeply compromised half measure initiated during a severe economic crisis. I don’t like how it’s working for me either, but at the same time, my health insurance sucked before it passed too.
Sanders’s plan is a real fix.
Why aren’t you worried about the corporate greed that is causing millions of deaths around the world and trillions of dollars of wasteful spending of YOUR tax money — corporations who are so greedy they would rather pay lobbyists to lobby for tax shelters and news agencies to lie people like you into voting against their self-interests — but not willing to pay a reasonable tax rate back into the system that made them rich?
The people you are voting for and the people funding their campaigns are laughing at you all the way to the bank while they steal money out of your back pocket.
You are correct. And I am worried about overspending as I stated when I mentioned frivolous spending in the govt budget. I think it comes down to the lesser of two evils. Sanders doesn’t think that 90% is too much tax to pay. Give me a break! I don’t want to be a dependent of the govt. I’ve worked all my life to acquire the meager possessions I have and others should do the same instead of the govt’s stepping in and making sure that everyone has the same, even if they’re too sorry to work. I will never agree with that. I’ve helped lots of folks and will continue to do so, but I don’t believe I should subsidize others’ lives and lifestyles.
Thanks for responding again, Shirley. Here is what I think you’re missing:
You ARE INDEED paying for someone else’s lifestyle, but it’s not the people you think you are.
Welfare is about 6% of the federal budget.
Defense is 54%.
A good bit of that is defense contractor profit.
And let’s not talk about federal business subsidies and tax shelters.
You are subsidizing the lifestyle of the very richest people in human history. They are getting rich from your tax money.
But they want you thinking the real problem is welfare.
Six cents out of every dollar you spend goes to TANF (welfare).
54 cents of every dollar you spend goes to “defense.”
You’re being lied to and are sucking up all of the lies without thinking about it.
Now, show me some evidence that Sanders wants a 90% tax rate, and we’ll talk. All of my numbers are on the federal budget website.
Unless I’m mistaken those were sanders words. James, all the politicians in Washington are career politicians. They have no intention of giving up that lifestyle, only augment it continually. Yes both sides. And yes I’m very worried about the runaway spending. As I said…, the lesser of two evils.
Neither Hillary or Bernie will even talk about limiting term limits. But several on the other insist that should happen and I agree.
Just one suggestion — actually read their policy statements rather than basing your opinion on general impressions based upon bad reporting. They’re online.
I could see either of them supporting term limits, and there was a term limit vote back in the 90s, so you could actually go to Congress.gov yourself to see how Sanders voted on it back then.
“Trump can save our country” and its numerous iterations get under my skin–especially when I hear it from Christians. How is Trump, a single man, going to “save our country”? How is he, one person, going to “make America great again”? Why are so many Americans content to just turn over their rights and powers to some despot to “make America great again”? We the People have it within ourselves to make America great again. Not Donald Trump, not Bernie Sanders, not Hillary Clinton, not Ted Cruz. When good people, good Christian people, start actually LIVING what they profess, then there’s a fairly decent chance that America can become “great” again.
Your assumptions may or may not be correct. It’s always a mistake to second-guess what another person does or doesn’t think. We all have our individual prejudices whether we admit it or not. And though I disagree with some of Trumps words and gestures, even some of his actions, I believe he might be able to turn our country into s world power again, a nation that thrives with industry once again. He may not be my personal choice at this moment but that is not to say I won’t vote for him. I don’t believe we need another hobnobbing cronie in the White House. With that said there are other conservative candidates that might be able to stand for our constitutional rights as well. I believe in a free market And Trump built an empire. I do not believe that our nation should move into a socialistic direction. History shows that move as unsuccessful. As a history prof once told me, both socialism and communism look good in theory, but they NEVER work out for the good of the people. Eventually everyone becomes extremely poor and becomes dependent on someone else ( the government) to meet their needs. And all the while the government thrives on plenty without ever being touched by the real needs of the very people they’re supposed to be serving. So while Trump is harsh and irreverent at times, he may be able to do what others are unwilling to do… Balance our budget, stop illegal immigration, better protect Americans by carefully vetting those who come into our country. What he has suggested sounds harsh, but if it saved lives, would you be against it? All lives matter, not just those of a particular color or race. After all, there is only one religious group who vowed to kill those considered to be ‘infidels’ or those who disagree with their religious beliefs. If there’s a better way to figure out who is a terrorist and who is not, let’s hear it. What’s your solution? I believe in respecting every individual’s beliefs, except when he wants to kill me for disagreeing with his beliefs. So in truth, I honestly don’t know if I’ll vote for Trump or not, but I’m considering it. And I don’t believe in freebies for those who can work but won’t. They are setting themselves, and the rest of us, up for failure.
Hi Shirley, you are correct. As I state towards the end of the post my assumptions about individual Trump supporters may be wrong – though, from some of the responses I have received, my assumptions are correct about at least a few. 😉
As far as your other concerns, I am with you in regards to the problems of socialism. I wrote this post as we were just heading into the primary season. I am addressing supporters where the choice right now is not between Trump vs Clinton or Sanders, but between Trump and other GOP candidates. While none of the GOP candidates are perfect, none (in my opinion) have risen to the level of absolute disrespect of other human beings or a nearly as potentially dangerous as Trump.
That said, should Trump become the nominee, I realize that the choice becomes a lot more complicated – because it literally becomes a choice of the lesser of 2 evils. There is a difference between the avid Trump supporters who are cheering him on now, and those who will decide to support him if he becomes the nominee in order to avoid Clinton or Sanders. As I have already stated, should Trump become the nominee, I will not be able to, out of principle, be able to vote for the either the Republican or Democratic candidate – even if, as some may say, it’s “throwing away” my vote. To me the only thrown away vote is not to vote at all, and voting for an independent or other candidate or write-in is still sending a message to the 2 main parties, that you don’t get to take me for granted and assume my vote. At the same time, I have conservative friends who are every bit as against Trump as me, but have said if Trump becomes the nominee they will end up voting for him because they feel he is at least better than the other options. I have other conservative friends who may go the other way – simply because they feel Trump is worse. I can respect all of the choices, because I know my friends’ decisions will not be made rashly.
And to add to all this, I am willing to admit that I could be wrong about Trump. While I don’t feel I am wrong about his lack of decency in this race and think if he’s going to run as a “strong Christian” (as he says) he should at least act like one, it’s entirely possible he could get in there, behave a lot more presidential than he’s behaving now, and really get things done. If he becomes president, I hope I am entirely wrong. I would far rather eat crow later on and have him do good things for the sake of the country than to be right and say, “I told you so.”
But at this point, based on the campaign he is running and the many dangerous things he has said (including just recently threatening to make it possible for him to sue any negative press) I am just not ready to take that risk. I am also concerned, beyond just who is president, about the potential messages we (especially evangelical Christians) are sending if we unequivocally stand behind someone perceived to have so much hate. Whether he does well or not, it’s hard to recover from that.
Thanks for your thoughts and your respectful dialogue.
You are very welcome. I believe any conservative, even Trump, is better than the alternative. We simply must win. I shudder to think what will happen if progressives win
I am not a Trump supporter and will leave it at that.
I found the post very judgmental, particularly coming from a self-reported devout “Christian” author.
This was a very one sided, polarizing account by a person of unknown credibility who is defaming a large percentage of the American population, labeling them as bigots, bullies, and much worse. I do not think it is appropriate to generalize so broadly, publicly attacking people’s characters, something you are doing while slamming Trump repeatedly for doing exactly the same thing.
This is a lose-lose proposition in my eyes and little, if anything, positive can be gained by taking one side or the other publicly. You know what they say about arguing about politics or religion and your post addresses both.
Finally, your comment policy states: “no insults, personal attacks, etc”, yet your post blatantly attacks and insults Trump and everyone that supports him. If you are going to “talk the talk”, then “walk the walk” brother …
Matthew 7:1-5
“1 Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” – Source: The Holy Bible, English Standard Version Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers
Thank you for your feedback. While I would differ regarding the implication that I shouldn’t judge Trump (for that is the entire point of any type of election), your criticism of whether I should have addressed the supporters is a very valid point. There’s a fine line to walk between balancing respect for others and speaking hard to hear truths. Even Jesus who often spoke with compassion at times spoke hard things where others felt insulted. But he obviously always got it right, where I’m certain there are many times I don’t – so your criticism is duly noted.
That said, I do encourage you to read some of the portions again. I never do actually call anyone but Trump a bully or bigot, etc. I merely ask questions to get people to think and also at the end admit I could be entirely wrong.
Additionally, I fail to recognize how what I’ve done is anything different than what you are doing now.
I didn’t enjoy your letter at all. Then don’t vote for Trump. It’s a Free country, no one is holding a gun to your head. So shut up and get out of the way.
And no one was holding a gun to your head to read it, but I thank you for doing so anyway.
Very puzzled as to why Evangelicals support Trump, but maybe it has something to do with the Prosperity Gospel. http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/24/evangelical-leader-calls-trumps-christian-backers-unchristian/ While I can’t know Trump’s heart, I can compare his statements to scripture. He says that he has never done anything for which he needs to ask God’s forgiveness. But 1 John 1:8. He said that the reason the IRS keeps auditing him is that he is such a strong Christian…
Maybe the reason they’re auditing him every year is to find s way to take him down. He is a powerful figure and as I’ve said in another post, I don’t know whether he’s worthy enough to be our president or not. But remember that the IRS targeted those affiliated with the Tea Party not so long ago and it’s probably been happening more than we know about. I think that the powers that our government currently have, have made them hungry for more and more power to make decisions for us peons. And for those of us who fear the end of freedom of religion, I believe many see him as the last chance at standing toe to toe with the current power mongers. Not saying he’s the best choice, but what’s our alternative?
God didn’t choose the near perfect to do his bidding–Paul, Constantine, who did awful things. Read Isaiah 45 . I think God has a hand in this election–whoever it is. Because there’s a big, big job to do
Yes I think you are absolutely correct.
This amounts to nothing more than a pathetic hit piece on Trump.
Hi Anita, please take the time to read my author’s note at the end of the article.
Eye roll!! If it weren’t so ridiculous to assume things about millions of people you will never know I’d assume you’re as dumb as a brush. But, I don’t know you, so…… Your article is lame and you have zero credibility for blanketing your assumptions over a sea of citizens this way. I will say that articles like this fuel the fire far more than they dampen the momentum. Thanks for that!
Hi tonibmo, please take the time to read my author’s note at the end of the article.
While not a Trump follower I do follow politics. I enjoyed reading your article it was well written and made me want to finish(which I did). All of your points were valid from one point of view but can be misconstrued if looking at it from another. In reference to your John McCain statement yes he is called a war hero but not for his actions on the battlefield which in my opinion constitutes a war hero but rather for the hardships he suffered in a POW camp. And for the mockery he made of the gentleman with the disability although in poor taste I don’t think is intent was malicious although I don’t know.
I have seen others when describing something said use the same mannerisms as the person that said them haven’t you? And as far as myself religion has no bearing on who I vote for other than the fact that they are God fearing. My disdain for President Obama has nothing to do with his religion, mine is his validity to be President under our laws.
Speaking your mind in this day and time from someone running in office is unheard of although Trump has had to remove his foot from his mouth several times he says what he is thinking regardless of political correctness. I think that is his major appeal to the masses and if you call that being a bully then I think we as a nation need someone in office that is not afraid to throw a little muscle behind their words rather than bowing down to be politically correct. We are never going to have a candidate that everyone agrees on but as I look at the other candidates they all have skeletons on there closets or should I say careers but to do you see the media going after them no you don’t. Because Trump is the easier target because he has made it so because he doesn’t care what they say. Sorry a little long winded but YES I did enjoy your article for what it is “YOUR” insight to the man the myth the business legend “THE TRUMP”.
Thanks for reading, Cope. I appreciate your point of view.
I honestly do not know who I am voting for. I believe this article could of been written about other candidates also. Maybe not the exact situations but the flip flopping and saying what people want to hear to just getting elected. I do believe that a lot of the Trump supporters are just sick and tired of both parties. I believe that the right wing and left wing are both wings on the same bird. So if Trump gets elected for that reason then I blame both empty parties and that is sad. But maybe just maybe then they would wake up.
Hi Steve
A friend shared your article on FB & i was thinking this would be a long read but pleasantly found most of the page is comments….. I must say having written one post in opposition to the popes “unchristian” comment & Trump standing up for himself (Was more about Spiritual abuse than pro Trump) I got a lot of heat from just one post, some accusing me as Racist! (So i feel your pain for addressing this topic)
However i see your comments are nearly all Trump sympathizers (Am surprised by that!) Think Mr Trump is very unliked by the British – totally too scary. He reminds me of an uneducated, unrefined version of Nigel Farrage, who here in the UK does make a lot of sense & can talk simply but decisively & even politically correct at the same time.
I share your concerns about Trump, especially his Spiritual stance, very hypocritical – any christian can see hes either faking or severely blagging it. However i wonder if this election is even about morals anymore? Your national debt is eye watering & with interest rates at all time lows & so much political frustration (In my view Obama has done a good job considering) the role of president now is more about rescuing a fallen political and economic system that is not serving the real working people. Im hearing that “Americans are Angry” so Trump seems to be the perfect candidate in that respect. Some of the comments reinforce this & the fact hes non political establishment character.. The thing is, you can be a tough guy & respect for others, surely. What is his problem? Why the unnecessary put downs? I have also thought about the BULLYING he undertakes. Totally unnecessary & not suitable for a president, let along a father & employer. Another reflection, Winston Churchill, Britain’s most famous PM was a bit of a nutter. He used to wonder the house NAKED, DRUNKEN & spent several years in a state of depression / procrastination. Obviously it takes all sorts! Lets hope common sense prevails without stifling Gods sense of humor & the mysterious ways of God.
Who then? Rubio?-get real. Cruz, who said it was an honor to talk with Henry Kissinger, and has no ties to Goldman Sachs? I believe America is covered in not the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ any longer, but in the blood of millions of babies murdered in their mother’s wombs. We will get a betrayer no matter who wins, because its what we deserve.
Well said. We might be on different sides but you have given me hope where I needed it. I just referenced you in my blog post, https://lifeandhappyness.wordpress.com/2016/02/29/elections-upon-us/.
The article is all slander and false statements to demean TRUMP. This is the beginning of the MEDIA ASSULT like they did to Sara Palin because she was popular and McCaiin was supposed to loose that was the agreement, but they feared Palins popularity and feared it could turn on them….so they BLITZED her with False damaging MEDIA. Well here is the crux of the problem the Liberal Socialist ESTABLISHMENT in control in Washington and the UN fear TRUMP’S POPULARITY….so PUT HIM DOWN WITH UNTRUTHS, EXAGERATED RIDICULE AND PROPAGANDA TO DESTROY HIS POPULARITY AND THEN PUT DOWN HIS FOLLOWERS, THE VOTERS………….WELL IT WON’T WORK WE ARE WISE TO THIS TYPE OF MEDIA, but sore loosers jump on it because they just don’t like TRUMP, Thats Ok enough people do and, if there is another election in November and they don’t do a take-over because of their fear of his popularity and they would loose control of the Government and all the CHANGES that Obama made would be reversed, the Communist dream would be destroyed so they fear TRUMP…the whole real reason behind this MEDIA ASSULT !!! I like that he is not a PC wimp! His personality is good old fashioned reality ! A example of a President he will be like….Andrew Jackson, a wild man……………..but turned out to be a
great President !
Andrew Jackson…. awesome, the president that tried to wipe out my wife and kids’ ancestors. Good comparison.
If you would like to know why so many people are supporting Trump, all you have to do is ask Obama, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, and the entire Republican Establishment, THEY created him. If it wasn’t for the corruption and cronyism of the aforementioned people, Trump could never get away with his antics. Whether it’s Trump or Hillary in the Whitehouse, nothing will change for the People. We will still continue to get screwed, ALL of us, and they will continue to get rich, ALL of them.
Do you believe in the constitution? In the Bible? Ted Cruz is not a constitutionalist, and therefore cannot be a constitutional conservative. He is an establishment conservative. Neither he nor Rubio are qualified candidates:
Natural Born Citizen Explained!
https://youtu.be/h9PxdDvgQks
Laurence Tribe (Cruz’ Law Professor at Harvard) on Ted Cruz, Constitution, citizenship with Canada
https://youtu.be/tLe9Apcho7Q
Ted and Heidi Cruz – An Introduction
http://lettersfromthegulag.blogspot.hu/2015/12/ted-and-heidi-cruz-introduction.html
Do You Really Know Ted Cruz?
https://asnowrose.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/do-you-really-know-ted-cruz/
For-Ted-bots-2016-Feb-25 – pdf.file
http://www.mediaaccess.hu/userspace/pdf_files/For-Ted-bots-2016-Feb-25.pdf
Full Show – Why Donald Trump Is An American Hero – 02/18/2016
https://youtu.be/J74vOSK2Btw (1:34) Hungarian national bank stocks guns, bullets, citing terrorism risk and collapse risk)
The Truth About Ted Cruz
https://youtu.be/xtL41Pr2d5s
The Untruth About Donald Trump
https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg
Dear Reince, Donald Trump Doesn’t Need The GOP
http://detonite.com/dear-reince-donald-trump-doesnt-need-the-gop/
WATCH TED CRUZ COACH HIS FAMILY THROUGH A CAMPAIGN AD SHOOT
https://youtu.be/hO_MkcZh-VY
Ted Cruz Visits Texas Border To Welcome Illegal Alien Families…
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/17/ted-cruz-visits-texas-border-to-welcome-illegal-alien-families/
Yes he may be brash and bold but he has knowledge of how the system works. He’s paid and donated to all parties to get things done.That’s how Washington works. As for filing bankruptcy it’s within the laws set by our government. Its called doing it legally and having the commonsense to know when it’s not working. To give up and not keep trying isn’t going to get you anything. Not to many people have achieved what he has on their first try. Lincoln ran for office 3 times before making it. Thousands of light bulbs blew up before one worked. Had he given up he would be as poor as most. Fixing the economy isn’t hard if you truely set out to do it for the American workers. N.A.F.T.A. is a trade agreement and can be cancled by the president.if that were to be put on the table Mexico will pay for the wall and the tax cut will bring our jobs back. N.A.F.T.A.was a plan to break the unions,allowing business to move out and take our jobs. Please do your home work on how business works and how policy makes or breaks our economy.
I dislike Trump and the prospect of his presidency intensely.
But to engage in this preposterous level of projection upon his supporters is directly akin to calling all of Obama’s supporters racists against whites because Obama went to Jeremiah Wright’s racist, demagoguery-exploiting “church,” or calling all of “Billary II” Clinton’s supporters “in bed with the evils of Wall Street” for the massive amounts of money she and her husband have taken from Wall Street firms, or to call all of Sanders’ allies lazy slackers who want everything handed to them by the “mommy state.”
Your projections and assumptions upon Trump supporters is literally no better than the demagoguery and hatred that Trump espouses and exploits. Does it make you feel good to wallow in the same mud and filth as he does, even though you think you’re morally superior?
Hi Alexander, I appreciate your concern. I recommend, when you get a chance, that you read my newly revised author’s note at the end of the article.
Thank you for this article. If plagiarism was an acceptable practice, I’d swipe this article swiftly for it states so well the conundrum of Trump supporters. And, since the date you wrote this piece, so much more has been fed into the pile of sad examples of a man who is so wrapped in himself, and has been a deceiver for so long that he no longer is able to discern the truth. If Trump makes a truthful statement, it likely contradicts a previous untruthful one and we don’t know what to believe.
Loved the article except that I think you don’t understand about the immigration issue for most of us. I am not a bigot because I don’t want any more illegals in the country and want to slow down immigration into our land. I can see that the change in culture that is happening because of it is not good, as the immigrants do not assimilate quickly enough; since their numbers are so large, they do not have to. They do not understand American exceptionalism and values, especially Christianity, and we are losing the “flavor” if you will, that used to be so good in this country. It would be like, in a loose analogy, your Baptist church being overwhelmed by Catholics who do not learn nor adhere to protestant teachings. Before too long, you are in the minority and your church is no longer Baptist, no matter what the sign outside says. Eventually, you realize they are going to change the sign outside to say, “Our Lady of Guadalupe Interdenominational Church” or whatever, but you will have to find another church. Doesn’t mean you don’t get along with them, or you dislike them personally. You just don’t want to change your religious tenets by peer pressure, if you will. As I said, it is loose, but you get the point.
You know what they say about people who “assume”, right.
I am very far left, and not a person of faith. I would likely disagree with you in many a theoretical political discussion.
With that said, I applaud you for writing this post. Donald Trump is one of the most detestable, ethically bankrupt, and dishonest people I have ever seen running for office. He’s selling America snake oil from the back of a horse-drawn carriage – and a lot of us are buying it.
It’s important for all of us, left and right alike, to stand together against tyranny when we recognize a threat to our way of life. Trump is a clear threat to our way of life. America is great because we can disagree and still respect one another, as you said, but it’s even better when we can work together.
I’m not particularly enthusiastic about any political candidate in this race, on either side, but a Trump presidency would be an unprecedented low for our country.
In the words of Jeb, “He’s a chaos candidate, and he would make a chaos president.”
Thanks for reading, George.
Please write this same type article about Hilliary……… then see which of the two probable candidates scare people the most! God help us!
I guess it boils down to ONE question. On voting day who will you vote for, Hillary or Trump. If Hillary you are voting for the same politics that we currently have “enjoyed” for seven plus years. If Trump you’re obviously voting for change.
The challenge you issue, “And if I’m wrong, prove me so.”, seems to be counterproductive to your cause. Wouldn’t we have to elect The Donald in order to prove you right or wrong?
I want to thank you for putting into words my thoughts that I couldn’t out of frustration and sheer anxiety. Also, by the comments of many here you made your point perfectly.
Interestingly, I, a Liberal Democrat, completely agree with your take on Donald Trump. I hope your words don’t fall on deaf ears.
Thank you for posting your dark opinions of this candidate. If you were truly concerned about the value of this country and who will be the next president, I think you would of lined up all of the candidates as you did Trump, side by side. If you did this, you would clearly see, that all of them have the dark side you outlined above, and one of them is far worst off….Hillary. The problem does not lie within ONE candidate, the problem lies with the repressed values of what this country has been built on. Yes I am tired of being told what to say or believe, and MOST Americans feel the same about this as well as security and the protection of ourselves and our family’s future and legacy. You use strong words and comments such as bigotry, misogyny, and abuse of power……look at the history of all politicians/presidents, since the beginning of time…..they ALL have failed on these areas and many more, much more serious. I am about 50 years old and I have never seen this country so far divided as AMERICANS. If Trump can put this country back together an unconventional way, and he is the best smelling piece of crap on the crap pile then more POWER to him. As of today I see him compared to Hillary….the ONLY CHOICE!
I’m always surprised at the naive, uneducated, seemingly blind, deaf, and bigoted people who fall for Donald’s vomit. He is not a Christian. He does not care for the economicly disadvantaged nor does he really want to be president. He is a narcissist and wants to throw his $$ around. If the truth be known he probably has a mistress heading his campaign. Men like Trump love power and need to control everything and everyone in their lives. I pray that the American electorates will open their eyes, ears and not elect a nazi dictator to the great country we have the privilege of living in. Don’t bring Hitler back.
Bless your heart
Hey Steve, I have to say that I don’t agree with you politically, but I appreciate the fact that you’ve presented them in a convivial, open manner and invited conversation. Whether you are a Trump supporter or critic, whether you are a Republican, Democrat or other, this country was built to be the greatest in the world through open debate, frequent compromise and working together. Entrenchment and an “only I am right” mindset will ultimately be our downfall, in my opinion. I value my debates with those that disagree with me, because when my beliefs are challenged, they grow stronger. I appreciate you launching (and continuing) this conversation, and making effort to include those who are outraged that you would disagree with them.
I appreciate that, Chaz
I don’t really have the time tonight to truly dissect the whole blog post, mostly because it was late already when I found this and it took a while to read the whole thing.
I absolutely love how you cite how he bullies & you insert condescending (prounounced first) several times not just once.
I also love that you have a book you’re promoting. Interesting that you use the most talked about, trendy, populist to promote it.
Makes one wonder if your intentions are pure.
I do however believe the entirety was your honest opinion & you made no claim otherwise.
A lot of the assertions you made are, according to your own words, from research you gleaned on your own and you make no apologies for stating so yet requesting if and when someone rebuts, that they furnish sources. The only problem with that research is, there is a massive witch hunt taking place and you will find spin, half truths, hyperbole & propaganda. Assuming you are more intelligent than the next guy, I would say that perhaps you can read between the lies. But then why would you perpetuate some of the rhetoric by using that as your basis for the conclusions you are drawing?
I question everything and everyone, I certainly don’t think the man is perfect. He has a lot of issues he needs to work out before serving but to call him out on lies and hypocrisy when you chose your title, it’s a common theme throughout, that you assume these things about Trump supporters aren’t you your self falling into that same category you want to lump the supporters into?
I have way more that I plan to say here and I sincerely hope you don’t try to marginalize me for criticism. I simply do not have time tonight.
I do want to commend you on a well written post & I quite enjoyed your writing style, wit and honesty. Even if I feel it may be somewhat disingenuous considering you’re promoting a book but again, it’s very well written.
One of the posts I read in response to this blog brought up a very good idea. If this isn’t a paid for hit piece by establishment, then why not prove it by writing a scathing review of Sanders or Clinton? It’s a very valid point. One you should not sweep under the carpet. Also one that I’m confident you can do well, having read this.
I’ll reread and try to touch on more of the points tomorrow.
That is if I’m not censored for dissenting or called out as exhibiting classics Trumpsms like I saw you do already with dissenting thought.
Thank you for the compliments on my writing style and I look forward to hearing your thoughts. I’m especially complimented by the fact you feel and others might feel there’s money behind it – but alas I’m just a part time blogger operating on my own dime who mainly writes views on faith and whose average # of views prior to this per post was like 100 – 200 people plus my mom. Don’t think I’d be too wise of an investment from any political group. Of course it sure would be nice if I did get paid – I’ve got plenty of bills to pay.
If you’ll notice my other posts politics is not really my main interest. Just got really concerned about who was going to represent me and fellow conservatives in the GOP race so I decided a month ago to do something about it. There’s already plenty of material out there from conservatives with concerns about Hillary and Bernie that I don’t really see a need for me to add anything to the mix at this point. That is unless someone really wants to pay me for it. 😉
And my book is a long ways off. Just something I hope folks will read someday once it’s done whether I really make any money or not. Maybe a few people will read it – and at least I’ve got my mom.
I hear people say they like Trump because he “tells it like it is, he speaks his mind.” I have an uncle who drinks too much and likes to speak his mind. Doesn’t mean he’d make a good President.
First let me say, I did not read every word of your Blog. Nor did I read every word of the comments and your reply to those comments. I have an attention span issue. So, with some of your readers I’m already burnt toast. Let me make a gentle request. Read the first few chapters of the Biblical book of Daniel. As you read it place a mental picture of Mr. Trump every time you read the name Nebuchadnezzar. You will be amazed. THE KING was a deal maker. If you could give him what he wanted, you were in. If not, you were dead. THE KING was willing to accept Daniel’s God but not as his own. Try this. Visualize Mr. Trump in the debates when Nebuchadnezzar is talking with his wise men about his vision. To be honest with you it is spookie. Let me conclude by saying I am a conservative in my life style and political view. Some of the “basic things Mr. Trump says I agree with. He may very well win the GOP nomination. If he does I pray he has a capable VP because it won’t be long before Mr. Trump could be eating grass in the wilderness. For those of you that don’t know what I am talking about, read Daniel.
I enjoyed the article- well reasoned and written. I, too, am dismayed by the unfathomable popularity of Trump. Read most of the responses, and have to shake my head at the lack of comprehension shown. But then, I read one article that places Trump’s speech patterns at a fourth-grade level- so perhaps I shouldn’t expect more from his defenders….(You did touch on Trumps immaturity in one response) Despite your instructions regarding feedback, most displayed alarming levels of cognitive dissonance and/or hypocritical philosophy. I appreciate your intellect, tone, and civility when rebutting their criticism. Keep up the good work, look forward to reading more from you
Thanks, Stackan
Good article. One point that I disagree with, however, is the idea that one cannot vote for a candidate without approving of everything they stand for. If that were the case I’d never be able to vote. Personally, I’d never vote for Trump, but I understand why people like him. Many of them don’t like that he’s a narcissistic bully, a philander, and crude, but he is taking on the issues that no other candidate will address. Voters are so tied of the politician’ unwillingness to speak directly about issues the voters care about that they’re willing to overlook some major moral lapses by the one candidate who isn’t afraid of anything.
Here’s one example of a one person explaining why Trump is popular: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLcrfhwPtc
You are correct about not having to agree on everything. Mostly just wanted everyone to think about the messages they can convey, intentional or not.
I thank you for posting this, but I do not think it will sway the supporters. There is so much anger and crazy thinking I fear many are lost in their ability to discern the difference between rational from delusion.
You are largely slanted to defeat someone who is the best candidate to be president. Sorry you did so much work, but you could have assumed the best rather than the worst in each of your points and would have come up with entirely different conclusions. You provide a long slog of words. I did the same about 20 years ago as a generic effort to restore “common sense” in the discourse. Nobody reads my stuff either as it takes too much time and brainpower to understand the 12 Elements of Technidigm.
– Technidigm
Steve,
I’m a certified independent (now voting democratic in national elections, because, well, insanity…) but I digress. What I want to say is thanks. Thanks for being that rare breed of a thoughtful republican. My dad was one, then the party broke his heart with Regan and he never recovered, voted Democratic the rest of his life. Your compatriots may not agree with you (judging from the comments) but someday they won’t thank you either…
Anyway I’m not a total write off, let me explain.
I host a group in my area that meets monthly, smokes good cigars, drinks rare whiskey and talks politics. We have very carefully kept the mix of people very ‘eclectic’ in that we have Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, conservatives (no, I’m not repeating myself), liberals, libertarians and one person we all swear is secret anarchist. We have business owners, corporate executives from some pretty impressive companies (this is New York), doctors, lumber yard managers, local politicians and even a pet attorney or two. We also have a few rules:
Respect all members
Back up your claims with cited facts. Period.
Argue on the merits.
No personal attacks (exception; you are allowed to utter the ritualistic statement “Jane, you ignorant slut!”)
Few of us miss a meeting.
We’re just getting started, but I think THIS is at least one of the things that will make America great again Steve, what about you?
Sounds fascinating. Sounds like the good old days when people could actually talk.
I hope trump proves you wrong and you change your mind. I think he, although flawed, (which we all are), actually does have a good heart and wants to make the country better. Left or right, let’s hope he does.
I agree. Let’s hope he does.